Carlton says no alternate futures

[chester]

Originally Posted by losttime

Why do you think they would have shown the whole conversation? They always do stuff like this to leave it open ended and up for interpretation for now until they clarify it next season, hopefully

Agreed. I just think that if they did show it, it would have been clear evidence that Things Can Change.

[chester]

Originally Posted by losttime

Chester, if yo uwere to guess what do you think he was talking about when the camera wasnt there focused on there discussion

That's not important right now...

[losttime]

Originally Posted by chester

Agreed. I just think that if they did show it, it would have been clear evidence that Things Can Change.

See its all a matter of people seeing wha tthey want to see. If it fits the theory we think it. For the same manner I think it wasnt shown because nothing was changed and was taken fro ma differnt POV, one from charlotte and dans POV and the other from the rest of the Losties.

I could be wrong and for everyone thinks diffently than myself and the otehrs who think along the same lines will disagree by what I saw.

These scenes are all about a matter of perspective.

hats why I believe the scene involving Sayid and the lines not being exaaclty the same is because of from whose standpoint it was said.

We all agree TPTB like to have things put in the episode to not make it solid for any one theory so this scene can be viewed as from a specific standpoint or for those who think alternate worlds are going to think it was differnt because it was an alternate world.

Time will tell what TPTB were doing

[3d-aholic]

Originally Posted by wiley

TCC and WHH are not mutually exclusive.
If I had eggs for breakfast yesterday and then I go back and have cereal instead, history shows I had cereal (WHH). The egg breakfast was erased and never happened. WHH is NOT WHAH.

Well I'm not following you at all then. You just described Back to the Future to the T with your breakfast example !!

When they went back to the past and Marty McFly changed the past...it became the NEW past...just as you describe the change in breakfast. (Your WHH). The only difference is that it wasn't cereal...it was basically his father showing a more dominant role that he did not initial play as his first past. The consequence of that was the future was changed... There were not "two" pasts in Back to the Future...there was only one. The original past never happened any more....and was erased. It was "course corrected"...if you prefer those words.

They have said it and I also feel fairly confident in saying that Cuse et all will not show us this sort of Back to the Future scenario. I believe they are way past this.

I think LT quickly spotted the major gapping hole with this description of WHH but then backed down. The description I see on all the forums for the die hard WHH's never has TWO pasts. Namely, the past "is being made" intially, for the first and the ONLY time....it is not being "changed" or "corrected" at all. It is the ONLY past, the ALWAYS PAST and that WHH is the same as WHAH. The "A" is just silent.

If it is not, then you surely have "back to the future" style time travel, ala "course correction", new past, future changes, and most die hard WHH's know this is a dead end.

I do agree they are not "mutually excusive"...I believe they are continuous with WHH simple a special case of TCC where probability is 100%.

[3d-aholic]

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[losttime]

Originally Posted by chester

That's not important right now...

LOL Well truthfully everything we are discussing is not important then because we dont have all the answers and we are only speculating based on how we are observing this show.

So what do you think he might have said to her if it was anything at all other than what we actually heard? Or do you just not wish to discuss it, which is fine. I was just curious your input?

[chester]

I really don't have any ideas, and am looking forward to hopefully being pleasantly surprised.

[losttime]

Originally Posted by chester

I really don't have any ideas, and am looking forward to hopefully being pleasantly surprised.

You will be surprised when you find out what we were seeing was just the view from the other Losties of wha twe were seeing from Faraday's standpoint. LOL

Just messing with you dude. Who knows maybe he said more but that doesnt mean he was changing wha tshe heard. maybe thats what she did hear and thats why she thought he was a crazy old man.

LOL Maybe we will find out that he was telling her that in some time in the future she will fall in love with him. LOL That wouldnt be "crazy" that would be freaky. lol

[wiley]

I think the thing that points to no alternate realities the most is that the TPTB pointed out to us that they put the Adam and Eve corpses in the cave to prove they had a plan from the beginning. Those two bodies have to be someone we know already so no alternate universe for them.
BTW I don't think they are Rose and Bernard, that's too easy.
I think the female is Kate and the Male is either Jack or Sawyer.

[losttime]

Originally Posted by wiley

I think the thing that points to no alternate realities the most is that the TPTB pointed out to us that they put the Adam and Eve corpses in the cave to prove they had a plan from the beginning. Those two bodies have to be someone we know already so no alternate universe for them.
BTW I don't think they are Rose and Bernard, that's too easy.
I think the female is Kate and the Male is either Jack or Sawyer.

Think its Jacob and Nemesis and Jack was just wrong about one being a female